Well done Brain. Very thoughtfull and through. Dont let the useless comments cloud your views.Your perspective is just fine and I sense no 'hidden agenda" just clarity on an important issue.
In Islam, this reality is UNACCEPTABLE: ". . . (this) region (has) 23% of the world's Muslims, and Islam is the dominant religion in every country in the region OTHER THAN ISRAEL . . ." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country)
The goal and conflict of ISLAMIC Jihad is present in various parts of THE WORLD, from Taliban (Pakistan/Afghanistan) to Boko Haram (NIGERIA), to everywhere in between. This conflict existed LONG BEFORE 1948 beginning FROM SAUDI ARABIA c.600 ad/ce by AbuBakr and Muhammad.
What's the goal of BOKO HARAM in Nigeria?? What's the goal of various ISLAMIC Jihad in various parts of the world?? Were these conflicts not present in 600 ad/ce? 800 ad/ce? 1000 ad/ce? 1200 ad/ce? LONG BEFORE 1948.
Aside from the considerable cleanup job here in America, to undo the considerable harm their type has done to this country, at minimum, our "Foreign Policy" should revert to what Washington and Jefferson advised: "Peace, Friendship, and Free Trade will all nations, ENTANGLING ALLINACES with NONE"...especially the psychopathic Zionist state. If Israel goes under, so what? I won't miss it, and most Americans probably WON'T, either.
People, this guy is a moron. I read what he’s basing his views on and when you scroll down to see where this info came from it’s all Harvard press and Princeton press and Oxford press. It’s all bullshit. It’s actually oxymoronish for him to even be claiming he’s some socialist as this shit he’s reading is all under socialist leaders. Let’s all keep him at his words as he’s just hating himself and isn’t smart enough to understand that. I’m done with this loser.
Lets begin by saying that if Israel doesn’t have “a right to exist”, neither does any other country, and if supposed violations of human rights are a justified cause for ending such a polity by force, then most countries in the world need to be forcibly dismantled, and that of course includes Russia, China and Iran, who oppress their own citizens, and do not allow any political dissent. Yet Israel is the only country in the world whose right to exist is constantly questioned by the likes of you. Is this a coincidence, or is there an ulterior motive?
I will continue by saying that your argument as though the dismantling of the Israeli government is somehow not genocidal towards Jews is silly and disingenuous. In the absence of the state of Israel and its army, the Jewish people will immediately be obliterated by the Arab population, which harbors genocidal aspirations towards the Jews and voices them constantly loud and clear. Indeed, this is the only reason why Israel needs to control the security of the entire country, and rule over 7.5 million Palestinians (a number which by the way is grossly inflated). Because if didn’t, there would immediately be rockets launched at it from that territory, just as happened in Gaza.
I do not where you live, but I’m guessing you are not under constant threat of missiles and random terror attacks, deliberately aimed at the civilian population. If you were to live under such conditions, perhaps your views would change.
"Lets begin by saying that if Israel doesn’t have 'a right to exist,' neither does any other country."
You write this as if you're achieving some kind of logical leapfrog over my reasoning, when the very title of my article is that "NO country has a right to exist."
"...then most countries in the world need to forcibly dismantled, and that of course includes Russia, China and Iran, who oppress their own citizens, and do not allow any political dissent."
I of course agree that many (perhaps even all) states are worthy of being dismantled and replaced, ideally without bloodshed. Note, the dismantling of governments is the sole responsibility of those who live inside the territory controlled by those particular monopolies on the use of force and violence. Where Israel is concerned, that question is up to the 7.5 million Jews, 7.5 million Arabs and various others (Bedouins, Christians, etc) in greater Israel. It's not up to Americans to make that judgement and then urge their own government to intervene. However, ongoing US financial and military to Israel (and every other country) is itself a form of intervention (and amoral wealth redistribution) that should cease immediately.
"Israel is the only country in the world whose right to exist is constantly questioned."
Many other governments are routinely labelled as illegitimate -- North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia and Cuba to name a few. What's truly unique where Israel is concerned is people pointing to its imaginary "right to exist." For example, when Iran hawks talk about regime change in Tehran, Israel-defenders don't clutch their pearls and point to the Islamic Republic of Iran's "right to exist," as they might if it were some sound principle truly worthy of universal defense. Again, one can argue that a given government is legitimate and just and has the consent of those it governs, but not that it has a "right to exist."
"...by the likes of you. Is this a coincidence, or is there an ulterior motive?"
This lazy insinuation of hidden motives and/or character flaws is so vague that it precludes a response. It just floats out there, serving only to undermine your own credibility.
As for the supposed inevitability of genocide if the Israeli ethno-state is dismantled, per the points/examples in my article, I don't think it's inevitable, and I don't credit your assertion that Arabs are bent on obliterating the Jewish people. (Call me "silly" but not "disingenuous.")
I do acknowledge the risk of violence short of genocide, but think an orderly, scheduled government transition -- accompanied by kinder, juster treatment of Palestinians -- would go a long way toward reducing that risk. Given it's a hypothetical (a high-stakes one at that), I of course can't firmly declare you're wrong.
What is wrong, however, is when people accuse those who agitate for a different political order between the river and the sea as pursuing genocide, and using that accusation to silence them and intimidate others.
What you have totally ignored is the reality of ISLAMIC Jihad, not only against Jews but in various parts of the world and long before 1948 since c.600 ad/ce in Saudi Arabia by Muhammad/AbuBakr.
In Saudi Arabia, do journalists such as Jamal Khasoggi have right of EXISTENCE? Do Christian/Jewish fellowships have right to FREELY Exist in Saudi Arabia? In various parts of THE WORLD, what's the goal of Islamic Jihad from Boko Haram (Nigeria) to Taliban (Pakistan/Afghanistan)? Did this goal and conflict exist LONG BEFORE 1948 from Saudi Arabia c.600 ad/ce
Your crop-dusting of the comment section is a collection of irrelevant statements and questions that don't challenge what I've argued. Remember, the title and central point is "NO Country has a Right to Exist," so pointing to faults in other countries doesn't do anything to address that.
-For example, in the comment you're replying to, I noted that Saudi Arabia has been routinely labelled as illegitimate (rightfully so). You replied by asking if Khashoggi had a right to exist, as if I had said something positive about Saudi Arabia.*
To answer your question, Khashoggi was an individual human and of course had a right to exist. Israel and Saudi Arabia, like all other countries, are governing arrangements and have no "right to exist."
-Comments about Islam, Boko Haram, historical tensions between groups, etc are likewise irrelevant to the question of whether countries have a "right to exist."
* As an aside, note that I spent two years working to achieve the declassification of 28 pages linking Saudi officials to the 9/11 plot, and have written about that here as well:
If Jews convert to Islam, that whole region (North Africa, Mid-East) will have true Islamic DOMINANCE which Muslims already have there. If that happens i assure you, that region will have the FORCED Peace you wish for.
Did you take a course in FALSE LOGIC?? and got an A? Since when the fact that many countries have abused the original and local populations gives Israel the right to do so also?.. Since murderers exist (armies) and their leaders go on without harm can we say "that is normal" and advocate for it? Is you intelligence at the service of your feelings? Can we have pure ethics and unquestionable Human Rights in this World or because they are constantly violated we excuse them and propose them? Do you read statistics and realize that the Palestinians have been Terrorized, killed 10 times more than Jews, and are under constant bombing, including phosphorous and other illegal bombs..? . Just research the barbarous sayings of Ben Gurion and other Zionist leaders who demanded the assassination of the Palestinians...and have led Israel into this barbarity....I better stop here because I could write pages
If anyone is curious to see the Spangle comment that Elbaz was replying to here, the same condemnable comment can be viewed below, in response to James Schwartz (begins with "f--- you"). I deleted it here since he was cut-and-pasting that and other comments all over the place.
I really prefer not to police speech in the comments (a policy that's difficult to sustain with posts like his) but will police spammy duplicate posts. A second spam-wave by Spangle after I objected to the first one resulted in his indefinite suspension here.
PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 7 – World-Wide Wars
❝We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.❞
The United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Commitee.
The USA should have helped Japan and Germany in WW2.
Commodore Matthew C. Perry sailed into Tokyo Bay with nine ships in March 1854 and forced Japan to enter into trade with the United States . . . Russia, Britain, France, and Holland used their fleets on several occasions to defeat and disarm the Japanese feudal domains that defied them.
The Black Dragon Society (Kyūjitai; 黑龍會; Shinjitai: 黒竜会, kokuryūkai), or the Amur River Society, was a prominent paramilitary, ultranationalist group in Japan. The Kokuryūkai was founded in 1901 by martial artist Uchida Ryohei as a successor to his mentor Mitsuru Tōyama's Gen'yōsha. The purpose of the organization was to keep the Russian Empire North of the Amur River and out of East Asia.
FIGHT YOUR OWN WARS, YOU KIKESUCKING ZIONIST ASS-WHORE.
At first, author put everything from head to feet. Gasa citizens are not native there. Listen to hamas. They say that will not care for citizens because 85% are refuges from some other places and world has to take care of them. Second, Israel left in Gasa great economy, big greenhouses, communications and so on. Third, they are not poor. They got millions of money and goods. They used this money to get weapons and create tunnels. Blockade started when they started to use rackets against Israel. They voted for hamas, they dig out communication pipes and started to do rackets from them to use against Israel that was giving them water, electricity and so on like dogs that bite hands that gives them food. Hamas did not build anything in Gasa for people, only underground tunnels under everything including hospitals, schools and so on. Their documents say only one goal - kill Jews.
We could state that "No Government a right to exist" that does the following:
1) Puts a subset of the governed into ghettos, restricting their movement and Citizen rights.
2) Citizens are separated into two or more legal classes, with rights and freedoms that others cant have and enjoy - (its equal rights for all or none at all).
The irony of Europe's Jews and their new country Israel, is that after being ghettoized for centuries, the Jews finally get their own country and then right from the start they ghettoized the natives. And here we are.
America, thanks to Teddy Roosevelt, sidestepped this delicate process by both giving native peoples the same American Citizenship rights ("We are all Americans now") and also gave them their own self governing territories to call their own.
The British said, " you cant have a nation within a nation" and Teddy effectively said, "yes you can if they are all equal citizens in support of the sovereign State.".
The banksters need a war desperately right now. They’ve tried so hard in Syria, and it just hasn’t worked. Then they got crazy Trump actually saying we should stay out of the Middle East and focus on our own problems, and people were listening . . .
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“The worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country: going into the Middle East, by President Bush.” — Donald Trump
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What’s a self-respecting globalist financier to do?
So, they sent their puppets like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and Biden out to talk up the fight against “evil” and threaten Russia, hoping to fool those dumb white ‘Murkins one more time into sending their sons off to die for God and Country and Goldman Sachs.
The recently ousted Speaker of the US House of Representatives Kevin McCarthy, who took at least a dozen votes to get elected speaker, traveled to Israel immediately upon his election, declaring to the Israeli Knesset that the USA is steadfastly committed to supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia.
It has become so painfully obvious, especially where you have someone like Nikki Haley wagging her finger and shouting down Vivek Ramaswamy in a presidential debate on live national television when the questions of this Ukrainian war against Russia and any mention of Israel are concerned, that the United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.
Countries are land masses that require nothing more than actual existence to exist, no rights required.
Governments on the other hand, can be created with or without the consent of those they govern.
America started out as a constitutional republic but it has been morphed into a democracy with the acquiescence of the majority that preferred to leave it to its own devices, in the absence of anyone caring enough to force it to remain consistent with a commonplace interpretation of its Constitution.
Bingo! Sadly most of us who are governed or accept some form of government to govern us, do not realize the treachery we have engaged in. It is often subtle and behind the curtain so as to not arouse the citizen's suspicions that all government is akin to a warden running a prison. Only the true inmates of government are running the asylum and we poor devils pretend we are free if we are allowed to go from one cell to another.
Well said and should anyone actually read the entire article before getting their feathers ruffled you can see how our government has made another case to further silence us and take away another civil Liberty. The thing I found quite compelling is how this happened in the first place. An incursion that large and faceted against Israel wasn’t planned overnight and with the way Israel gathers intelligence how this “slipped through the cracks” is a question I hope gets an answer. Just like the thought of FDR knowing the Japanese were coming or Bush knowing the towers were going to get hit always somehow become “conspiracy theories” but the answers we get always raise more questions. Knowing the constitution is a great point showing how much has been stolen from us and also a great rebuttal to the morons who walk around spouting narratives they believe are right. Unfortunately, that piece of paper has been shredded and we are not the country our forefathers envisioned when it was ratified. The British drew those lines being the victors of a war nobody over there was involved in and possibly started the war to end humanity. Funny twist there actually. What I’d say is we have upper education glossing over history and tilting outcomes to one side and a communist social media app influencing lemmings. We cannot lose our right to free speech but we can ban TikTok and put higher education in a bind by pulling any federal and state funding. Getting long winded now but great article and I hope everyone reads it to the end.
The question of the extent to which the Israeli government may have ignored or casually disregarded intelligence/warnings about an impending attack is definitely hanging heavy out there.
In my last article ("Israel Fostered The Rise Of Hamas, Even After It Turned To Terror"), I'd noted "reporting that Egypt’s intelligence minister directly warned Netanyahu to prepare for a surprise Hamas assault — 'something big'."
Since that article, Israeli outlets have published damning interviews with soldiers of the IDF's Combat Intelligence Corps who say their warnings about observations of alarming Hamas activity along the border in the months before Oct 7 were ignored. Here's a synopsis at ZeroHedge:
The banksters need a war desperately right now. They’ve tried so hard in Syria, and it just hasn’t worked. Then they got crazy Trump actually saying we should stay out of the Middle East and focus on our own problems, and people were listening . . .
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“The worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country: going into the Middle East, by President Bush.” — Donald Trump
.
What’s a self-respecting globalist financier to do?
So, they sent their puppets like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and Biden out to talk up the fight against “evil” and threaten Russia, hoping to fool those dumb white ‘Murkins one more time into sending their sons off to die for God and Country and Goldman Sachs.
The recently ousted Speaker of the US House of Representatives Kevin McCarthy, who took at least a dozen votes to get elected speaker, traveled to Israel immediately upon his election, declaring to the Israeli Knesset that the USA is steadfastly committed to supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia.
It has become so painfully obvious, especially where you have someone like Nikki Haley wagging her finger and shouting down Vivek Ramaswamy in a presidential debate on live national television when the questions of this Ukrainian war against Russia and any mention of Israel are concerned, that the United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.
I find it curious how our “leaders” choose what intelligence is BS or something to act on. My wife and I consume a lot of information from various sources. Personally, I read a lot of financial persons and it amazes me how so many things tie in together. Money gets made when markets head both ways and somewhere in there usually the truth lies. That being said I’m firmly in the court that Covid was a gigantic experiment to see how easily our last remaining civil liberties could be stolen and how quickly. It was singularly the most divisive event that I don’t think we are coming back from. We have one political party trying to silence and jail the others party’s leading candidate. The federalist papers warned of this. If anyone took the time and read them and the constitution the outrage would be revolutionary. When they took civics out of school curriculum it was the start of the plan. My father said it would be the downfall of the nation among other things. We have illegal aliens believing they have the right to work and have shelter given to them. Voting means nothing anymore because we can’t get either party to stop spending our money. I am just exasperated anymore and I write emails to any and all that are in Congress. I know this started about Israel but it all links together. I’ve heard things I thought were conspiracy theories when Covid came around and it all came to fruition all the way down to who would come up with the vaccine first. Are we all just living in bowl and moved around like pieces? Our leaders lie to us and even when the will of the people gets loud they appease us with half measures and the media takes care of the rest by telling us we got a good deal and to look forward to more which never comes. I believe what’s next is congress will keep spending then drop this CBDC on us and it will be 90-95 cents on every dollar we have as a one time tax which will be needed to save the country to get the debt under control. I’ve heard it too many times from people who have a track record of being right a hell of a lot more times than being wrong. Appreciate the comment though. I get long winded and all over but it’s my comment. Lol
I have no interest in being taught anything from people who believe in Islamophobia. That is a word created by fascists,and used by cowards, to manipulate morons. I grew up in a time where indoctrination wasn’t possible and I know it when I see it. I don’t need to see both sides here. There’s right and wrong and there’s no other way to spin this. I’d suggest you leave your “safe space” and pick up some civics classes. Enjoy
Fuck you and your Jewish god . . . Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. They are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.
Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . . Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples . . . We National Socialists came to liberate Paris, we did not destroy it.
One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.
Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv.
So my last is Schwartz and you automatically think I’m Jewish? I’m so happy to know I have my guns and my boot on the neck of socialists like you. It’s evident you have been indoctrinated by some higher education bastion of free speech as only a jackass would welcome having the wrong views on everything that has happened the last couple of centuries. Don’t comment on my post with shit like this because I promise I’ve forgotten more about history than you’ll ever know. History is a very complex area to be only of one view of it. If you’re bashing America you’ve obviously been afforded the first amendment being able to run your mouth like that. You’re welcome by the way. I’d say since you’re so anxious to defend all you speak of why not go live in one of those socialist countries? China wouldn’t let you open your mouth like this. I’d also love to see how you live on that pittance those govts hand out to their people. In most of those countries there’s another economy altogether for people to actually acquire things the govt won’t let them have. Go over and live under sharia law. I’m sure you’d love that too. Before you go and start calling me a colonizer or racist I’d say to the victor goes the spoils. I’m no government lover either. Free markets society will always be my true north. I also know one thing too you’d never say this crap to my face and if you did I can promise you’d think twice before you ever said it to anyone else again. I’d love to see your wife pregnant with your child and while your at gun point some scumbag is raping her in front of you with other waiting and when they tire of that your child gets cut out of her. How tough would you be then? I’m betting you’d probably not move a muscle as self preservation is what motivates you and instead of dying trying to save her and your unborn child you’d wilt like the coward you are. Another keyboard cowboy. People like you is why I don’t do social media. Scumbag.
"I grew up in a time where indoctrination wasn't possible ..."
Really?
Old Soviet joke:
"A Russian is on an airliner heading to the US, and the American in the seat next to him asks, 'So what brings you to the US?” The Russian replies, 'I'm studying the American approach to propaganda.' The American says, 'What propaganda?' The Russian says, 'That’s what I mean.'"
Maybe start with Bernays? He was very open about it, very involved in American propaganda, and I'm confident he came before your time.
Well done Brain. Very thoughtfull and through. Dont let the useless comments cloud your views.Your perspective is just fine and I sense no 'hidden agenda" just clarity on an important issue.
Cheers and all the best, keep writting.
Much appreciated!
In Islam, this reality is UNACCEPTABLE: ". . . (this) region (has) 23% of the world's Muslims, and Islam is the dominant religion in every country in the region OTHER THAN ISRAEL . . ." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country)
Jews don't call for conversion of Muslims or DEATH of Muslims.
The surrounding Islamic cultures CANNOT allow Christian/Jewish cultures to Freely EXIST.
That's the REALITY in that part of the world which has been dominated by ISLAM since c.600
Open your mind to the QUR'AN and Hadith; see the Reality.
The goal and conflict of ISLAMIC Jihad is present in various parts of THE WORLD, from Taliban (Pakistan/Afghanistan) to Boko Haram (NIGERIA), to everywhere in between. This conflict existed LONG BEFORE 1948 beginning FROM SAUDI ARABIA c.600 ad/ce by AbuBakr and Muhammad.
What's the goal of BOKO HARAM in Nigeria?? What's the goal of various ISLAMIC Jihad in various parts of the world?? Were these conflicts not present in 600 ad/ce? 800 ad/ce? 1000 ad/ce? 1200 ad/ce? LONG BEFORE 1948.
The Zionists are the original lying CRYBULLIES.
Aside from the considerable cleanup job here in America, to undo the considerable harm their type has done to this country, at minimum, our "Foreign Policy" should revert to what Washington and Jefferson advised: "Peace, Friendship, and Free Trade will all nations, ENTANGLING ALLINACES with NONE"...especially the psychopathic Zionist state. If Israel goes under, so what? I won't miss it, and most Americans probably WON'T, either.
People, this guy is a moron. I read what he’s basing his views on and when you scroll down to see where this info came from it’s all Harvard press and Princeton press and Oxford press. It’s all bullshit. It’s actually oxymoronish for him to even be claiming he’s some socialist as this shit he’s reading is all under socialist leaders. Let’s all keep him at his words as he’s just hating himself and isn’t smart enough to understand that. I’m done with this loser.
Lets begin by saying that if Israel doesn’t have “a right to exist”, neither does any other country, and if supposed violations of human rights are a justified cause for ending such a polity by force, then most countries in the world need to be forcibly dismantled, and that of course includes Russia, China and Iran, who oppress their own citizens, and do not allow any political dissent. Yet Israel is the only country in the world whose right to exist is constantly questioned by the likes of you. Is this a coincidence, or is there an ulterior motive?
I will continue by saying that your argument as though the dismantling of the Israeli government is somehow not genocidal towards Jews is silly and disingenuous. In the absence of the state of Israel and its army, the Jewish people will immediately be obliterated by the Arab population, which harbors genocidal aspirations towards the Jews and voices them constantly loud and clear. Indeed, this is the only reason why Israel needs to control the security of the entire country, and rule over 7.5 million Palestinians (a number which by the way is grossly inflated). Because if didn’t, there would immediately be rockets launched at it from that territory, just as happened in Gaza.
I do not where you live, but I’m guessing you are not under constant threat of missiles and random terror attacks, deliberately aimed at the civilian population. If you were to live under such conditions, perhaps your views would change.
"Lets begin by saying that if Israel doesn’t have 'a right to exist,' neither does any other country."
You write this as if you're achieving some kind of logical leapfrog over my reasoning, when the very title of my article is that "NO country has a right to exist."
"...then most countries in the world need to forcibly dismantled, and that of course includes Russia, China and Iran, who oppress their own citizens, and do not allow any political dissent."
I of course agree that many (perhaps even all) states are worthy of being dismantled and replaced, ideally without bloodshed. Note, the dismantling of governments is the sole responsibility of those who live inside the territory controlled by those particular monopolies on the use of force and violence. Where Israel is concerned, that question is up to the 7.5 million Jews, 7.5 million Arabs and various others (Bedouins, Christians, etc) in greater Israel. It's not up to Americans to make that judgement and then urge their own government to intervene. However, ongoing US financial and military to Israel (and every other country) is itself a form of intervention (and amoral wealth redistribution) that should cease immediately.
"Israel is the only country in the world whose right to exist is constantly questioned."
Many other governments are routinely labelled as illegitimate -- North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia and Cuba to name a few. What's truly unique where Israel is concerned is people pointing to its imaginary "right to exist." For example, when Iran hawks talk about regime change in Tehran, Israel-defenders don't clutch their pearls and point to the Islamic Republic of Iran's "right to exist," as they might if it were some sound principle truly worthy of universal defense. Again, one can argue that a given government is legitimate and just and has the consent of those it governs, but not that it has a "right to exist."
"...by the likes of you. Is this a coincidence, or is there an ulterior motive?"
This lazy insinuation of hidden motives and/or character flaws is so vague that it precludes a response. It just floats out there, serving only to undermine your own credibility.
As for the supposed inevitability of genocide if the Israeli ethno-state is dismantled, per the points/examples in my article, I don't think it's inevitable, and I don't credit your assertion that Arabs are bent on obliterating the Jewish people. (Call me "silly" but not "disingenuous.")
I do acknowledge the risk of violence short of genocide, but think an orderly, scheduled government transition -- accompanied by kinder, juster treatment of Palestinians -- would go a long way toward reducing that risk. Given it's a hypothetical (a high-stakes one at that), I of course can't firmly declare you're wrong.
What is wrong, however, is when people accuse those who agitate for a different political order between the river and the sea as pursuing genocide, and using that accusation to silence them and intimidate others.
You know how non-Muslims will exist in this ISLAMIC dominated region where Muslims will not allow Muslims to exist? I'm sure YOU KNOW - https://youtu.be/hszXgMOm2kI?si=sQ9p1BQglZ4HQnZz
What you have totally ignored is the reality of ISLAMIC Jihad, not only against Jews but in various parts of the world and long before 1948 since c.600 ad/ce in Saudi Arabia by Muhammad/AbuBakr.
In Saudi Arabia, do journalists such as Jamal Khasoggi have right of EXISTENCE? Do Christian/Jewish fellowships have right to FREELY Exist in Saudi Arabia? In various parts of THE WORLD, what's the goal of Islamic Jihad from Boko Haram (Nigeria) to Taliban (Pakistan/Afghanistan)? Did this goal and conflict exist LONG BEFORE 1948 from Saudi Arabia c.600 ad/ce
Your crop-dusting of the comment section is a collection of irrelevant statements and questions that don't challenge what I've argued. Remember, the title and central point is "NO Country has a Right to Exist," so pointing to faults in other countries doesn't do anything to address that.
-For example, in the comment you're replying to, I noted that Saudi Arabia has been routinely labelled as illegitimate (rightfully so). You replied by asking if Khashoggi had a right to exist, as if I had said something positive about Saudi Arabia.*
To answer your question, Khashoggi was an individual human and of course had a right to exist. Israel and Saudi Arabia, like all other countries, are governing arrangements and have no "right to exist."
-Comments about Islam, Boko Haram, historical tensions between groups, etc are likewise irrelevant to the question of whether countries have a "right to exist."
* As an aside, note that I spent two years working to achieve the declassification of 28 pages linking Saudi officials to the 9/11 plot, and have written about that here as well:
https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/flurry-of-calls-among-saudi-diplomatic
https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/exclusive-fbi-mistakenly-names-saudi
Is your article not about the conflict between the Jews and surrounding Muslims?
If so, doesn't this ISLAMIC Jihad exist in various parts of the world? starting from c.600 ad/ce
If Jews convert to Islam, that whole region (North Africa, Mid-East) will have true Islamic DOMINANCE which Muslims already have there. If that happens i assure you, that region will have the FORCED Peace you wish for.
Did you take a course in FALSE LOGIC?? and got an A? Since when the fact that many countries have abused the original and local populations gives Israel the right to do so also?.. Since murderers exist (armies) and their leaders go on without harm can we say "that is normal" and advocate for it? Is you intelligence at the service of your feelings? Can we have pure ethics and unquestionable Human Rights in this World or because they are constantly violated we excuse them and propose them? Do you read statistics and realize that the Palestinians have been Terrorized, killed 10 times more than Jews, and are under constant bombing, including phosphorous and other illegal bombs..? . Just research the barbarous sayings of Ben Gurion and other Zionist leaders who demanded the assassination of the Palestinians...and have led Israel into this barbarity....I better stop here because I could write pages
If the Iranians nuke Israel, the Palestinian scums also die in the fallout . . . peace at last.
How come Jew-hatres always use such vile language?
What does it tell you about them?
If anyone is curious to see the Spangle comment that Elbaz was replying to here, the same condemnable comment can be viewed below, in response to James Schwartz (begins with "f--- you"). I deleted it here since he was cut-and-pasting that and other comments all over the place.
I really prefer not to police speech in the comments (a policy that's difficult to sustain with posts like his) but will police spammy duplicate posts. A second spam-wave by Spangle after I objected to the first one resulted in his indefinite suspension here.
"2,500 Hamas militants went on a murder and kidnapping rampage in southern Israel"
LOL Or a more accurate description; Hamas launched a perfectly executed military campaign.
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PROTOCOLS OF THE MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION . . . Protocol No. 7 – World-Wide Wars
❝We must be in a position to respond to every act of opposition by war with the neighbors of that country which dares to oppose us: but if these neighbors should also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we must offer resistance by a universal war.❞
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/protocol-no-7-world-wide-wars
Sorry, grr. That doesn't fit in the Overton window.
The United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Commitee.
The USA should have helped Japan and Germany in WW2.
Commodore Matthew C. Perry sailed into Tokyo Bay with nine ships in March 1854 and forced Japan to enter into trade with the United States . . . Russia, Britain, France, and Holland used their fleets on several occasions to defeat and disarm the Japanese feudal domains that defied them.
The Black Dragon Society (Kyūjitai; 黑龍會; Shinjitai: 黒竜会, kokuryūkai), or the Amur River Society, was a prominent paramilitary, ultranationalist group in Japan. The Kokuryūkai was founded in 1901 by martial artist Uchida Ryohei as a successor to his mentor Mitsuru Tōyama's Gen'yōsha. The purpose of the organization was to keep the Russian Empire North of the Amur River and out of East Asia.
FIGHT YOUR OWN WARS, YOU KIKESUCKING ZIONIST ASS-WHORE.
At first, author put everything from head to feet. Gasa citizens are not native there. Listen to hamas. They say that will not care for citizens because 85% are refuges from some other places and world has to take care of them. Second, Israel left in Gasa great economy, big greenhouses, communications and so on. Third, they are not poor. They got millions of money and goods. They used this money to get weapons and create tunnels. Blockade started when they started to use rackets against Israel. They voted for hamas, they dig out communication pipes and started to do rackets from them to use against Israel that was giving them water, electricity and so on like dogs that bite hands that gives them food. Hamas did not build anything in Gasa for people, only underground tunnels under everything including hospitals, schools and so on. Their documents say only one goal - kill Jews.
"only one goal - kill Jews. "
And the ashkeNAZIs have had one goal for 100 years, kill Arabs. Wake up you jew cucked twat.
Great essay! Thanks!
We could state that "No Government a right to exist" that does the following:
1) Puts a subset of the governed into ghettos, restricting their movement and Citizen rights.
2) Citizens are separated into two or more legal classes, with rights and freedoms that others cant have and enjoy - (its equal rights for all or none at all).
The irony of Europe's Jews and their new country Israel, is that after being ghettoized for centuries, the Jews finally get their own country and then right from the start they ghettoized the natives. And here we are.
America, thanks to Teddy Roosevelt, sidestepped this delicate process by both giving native peoples the same American Citizenship rights ("We are all Americans now") and also gave them their own self governing territories to call their own.
The British said, " you cant have a nation within a nation" and Teddy effectively said, "yes you can if they are all equal citizens in support of the sovereign State.".
So far Teddy has been right.
Excellent article.. I have proposed a No State Solution.. Read it here if interested..
Natural Law And The Natural Society
davidferguson.substack.com
The banksters need a war desperately right now. They’ve tried so hard in Syria, and it just hasn’t worked. Then they got crazy Trump actually saying we should stay out of the Middle East and focus on our own problems, and people were listening . . .
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“The worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country: going into the Middle East, by President Bush.” — Donald Trump
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What’s a self-respecting globalist financier to do?
So, they sent their puppets like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and Biden out to talk up the fight against “evil” and threaten Russia, hoping to fool those dumb white ‘Murkins one more time into sending their sons off to die for God and Country and Goldman Sachs.
The recently ousted Speaker of the US House of Representatives Kevin McCarthy, who took at least a dozen votes to get elected speaker, traveled to Israel immediately upon his election, declaring to the Israeli Knesset that the USA is steadfastly committed to supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia.
It has become so painfully obvious, especially where you have someone like Nikki Haley wagging her finger and shouting down Vivek Ramaswamy in a presidential debate on live national television when the questions of this Ukrainian war against Russia and any mention of Israel are concerned, that the United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book
Countries are land masses that require nothing more than actual existence to exist, no rights required.
Governments on the other hand, can be created with or without the consent of those they govern.
America started out as a constitutional republic but it has been morphed into a democracy with the acquiescence of the majority that preferred to leave it to its own devices, in the absence of anyone caring enough to force it to remain consistent with a commonplace interpretation of its Constitution.
Bingo! Sadly most of us who are governed or accept some form of government to govern us, do not realize the treachery we have engaged in. It is often subtle and behind the curtain so as to not arouse the citizen's suspicions that all government is akin to a warden running a prison. Only the true inmates of government are running the asylum and we poor devils pretend we are free if we are allowed to go from one cell to another.
The United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book
Well said and should anyone actually read the entire article before getting their feathers ruffled you can see how our government has made another case to further silence us and take away another civil Liberty. The thing I found quite compelling is how this happened in the first place. An incursion that large and faceted against Israel wasn’t planned overnight and with the way Israel gathers intelligence how this “slipped through the cracks” is a question I hope gets an answer. Just like the thought of FDR knowing the Japanese were coming or Bush knowing the towers were going to get hit always somehow become “conspiracy theories” but the answers we get always raise more questions. Knowing the constitution is a great point showing how much has been stolen from us and also a great rebuttal to the morons who walk around spouting narratives they believe are right. Unfortunately, that piece of paper has been shredded and we are not the country our forefathers envisioned when it was ratified. The British drew those lines being the victors of a war nobody over there was involved in and possibly started the war to end humanity. Funny twist there actually. What I’d say is we have upper education glossing over history and tilting outcomes to one side and a communist social media app influencing lemmings. We cannot lose our right to free speech but we can ban TikTok and put higher education in a bind by pulling any federal and state funding. Getting long winded now but great article and I hope everyone reads it to the end.
The question of the extent to which the Israeli government may have ignored or casually disregarded intelligence/warnings about an impending attack is definitely hanging heavy out there.
In my last article ("Israel Fostered The Rise Of Hamas, Even After It Turned To Terror"), I'd noted "reporting that Egypt’s intelligence minister directly warned Netanyahu to prepare for a surprise Hamas assault — 'something big'."
https://starkrealities.substack.com/p/israel-fostered-the-rise-of-hamas
Since that article, Israeli outlets have published damning interviews with soldiers of the IDF's Combat Intelligence Corps who say their warnings about observations of alarming Hamas activity along the border in the months before Oct 7 were ignored. Here's a synopsis at ZeroHedge:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/warnings-about-alarming-pre-oct-7-hamas-activity-ignored-say-israeli-surveillance
The banksters need a war desperately right now. They’ve tried so hard in Syria, and it just hasn’t worked. Then they got crazy Trump actually saying we should stay out of the Middle East and focus on our own problems, and people were listening . . .
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“The worst single mistake ever made in the history of our country: going into the Middle East, by President Bush.” — Donald Trump
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What’s a self-respecting globalist financier to do?
So, they sent their puppets like McCain, Romney, Clinton, and Biden out to talk up the fight against “evil” and threaten Russia, hoping to fool those dumb white ‘Murkins one more time into sending their sons off to die for God and Country and Goldman Sachs.
The recently ousted Speaker of the US House of Representatives Kevin McCarthy, who took at least a dozen votes to get elected speaker, traveled to Israel immediately upon his election, declaring to the Israeli Knesset that the USA is steadfastly committed to supporting Ukraine in their war against Russia.
It has become so painfully obvious, especially where you have someone like Nikki Haley wagging her finger and shouting down Vivek Ramaswamy in a presidential debate on live national television when the questions of this Ukrainian war against Russia and any mention of Israel are concerned, that the United States government has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the American Israeli Political Action Committee.
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/oh-how-fond-they-are-of-the-book
I find it curious how our “leaders” choose what intelligence is BS or something to act on. My wife and I consume a lot of information from various sources. Personally, I read a lot of financial persons and it amazes me how so many things tie in together. Money gets made when markets head both ways and somewhere in there usually the truth lies. That being said I’m firmly in the court that Covid was a gigantic experiment to see how easily our last remaining civil liberties could be stolen and how quickly. It was singularly the most divisive event that I don’t think we are coming back from. We have one political party trying to silence and jail the others party’s leading candidate. The federalist papers warned of this. If anyone took the time and read them and the constitution the outrage would be revolutionary. When they took civics out of school curriculum it was the start of the plan. My father said it would be the downfall of the nation among other things. We have illegal aliens believing they have the right to work and have shelter given to them. Voting means nothing anymore because we can’t get either party to stop spending our money. I am just exasperated anymore and I write emails to any and all that are in Congress. I know this started about Israel but it all links together. I’ve heard things I thought were conspiracy theories when Covid came around and it all came to fruition all the way down to who would come up with the vaccine first. Are we all just living in bowl and moved around like pieces? Our leaders lie to us and even when the will of the people gets loud they appease us with half measures and the media takes care of the rest by telling us we got a good deal and to look forward to more which never comes. I believe what’s next is congress will keep spending then drop this CBDC on us and it will be 90-95 cents on every dollar we have as a one time tax which will be needed to save the country to get the debt under control. I’ve heard it too many times from people who have a track record of being right a hell of a lot more times than being wrong. Appreciate the comment though. I get long winded and all over but it’s my comment. Lol
Volodymyr Zelensky is an Israeli operative . . . Ukraine’s Azov Regiment Visits Israel: ‘Mariupol is our Masada’ . . . https://nationalvanguard.org/2022/12/ukraines-azov-regiment-visits-israel-mariupol-is-our-masada/
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Why Do the Ukrainians Allow Their Country to Be Completely Run by Jews? . . . https://russia-insider.com/en/why-do-ukrainians-allow-their-country-be-completely-run-jews/ri27010
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Zelensky, Biden, Satanism, War, Greed, Theft, Propaganda, Domestic Spying, International Intrigue, Treason, Sedition, FTX, Ukraine, Israel . . . https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/zelensky-biden-satanism-war-greed
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Documents leaked from Soros’ “Open Society Foundation” show how the Jewish billionaire behind Hillary Clinton gave orders to the State Department and manipulated media coverage of events in Ukraine . . . https://nationalvanguard.org/2016/09/documents-show-soros-ran-us-foreign-policy-on-post-coup-ukraine/
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How Christine Lagarde, Hillary Clinton and Victoria Nuland Funded a Massive Ukrainian Ponzi Scheme . . . https://russia-insider.com/en/how-christine-lagarde-clinton-and-nuland-funded-massive-ukrainian-ponzi-scheme/ri27390
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Jewish Corruption in Ukraine . . . by Andrew Joyce, Ph.D. . . . https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2023/02/17/jewish-corruption-in-ukraine/
Wonder if you might be interested in a perspective that challenges conventional "wisdom?" https://risingdawn360.substack.com/p/four-corners-of-the-earth-rediscovered
I have no interest in being taught anything from people who believe in Islamophobia. That is a word created by fascists,and used by cowards, to manipulate morons. I grew up in a time where indoctrination wasn’t possible and I know it when I see it. I don’t need to see both sides here. There’s right and wrong and there’s no other way to spin this. I’d suggest you leave your “safe space” and pick up some civics classes. Enjoy
Fuck you and your Jewish god . . . Judeo-messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. They are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond peoples, races, cultures) and which are the daily sustenance of our schools, in our media, in our popular culture, at our universities, and on our streets, have ended up reducing our biosymbolic identity and ethnic pride to their minimal expression.
Jewish bankers flooded Europe with Muslims and America with third-world garbage . . . Exile as punishment for those who preach sedition should be reinstated within the legal framework of the West . . . Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are death cults originating in the Middle East and totally alien to Europe and its peoples . . . We National Socialists came to liberate Paris, we did not destroy it.
One sometimes wonders why the European left gets along so well with Muslims. Why does an often overtly anti-religious movement take the side of a fierce religiosity that seems to oppose almost everything the left has always claimed to stand for? Part of the explanation lies in the fact that Islam and Marxism have a common ideological root: Judaism.
Don Rumsfeld was right when he said, "Europe has shifted on its axis," it was the wrong side that won World War II, and it is becoming clearer every day. What has NATO done to defend Europe? Absolutely nothing . . . My enemies are not in Moscow, Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh or some ethereal Teutonic boogeyman, my enemies are in Washington, Brussels and Tel Aviv.
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/pardonne-mon-francais-va-te-faire
So my last is Schwartz and you automatically think I’m Jewish? I’m so happy to know I have my guns and my boot on the neck of socialists like you. It’s evident you have been indoctrinated by some higher education bastion of free speech as only a jackass would welcome having the wrong views on everything that has happened the last couple of centuries. Don’t comment on my post with shit like this because I promise I’ve forgotten more about history than you’ll ever know. History is a very complex area to be only of one view of it. If you’re bashing America you’ve obviously been afforded the first amendment being able to run your mouth like that. You’re welcome by the way. I’d say since you’re so anxious to defend all you speak of why not go live in one of those socialist countries? China wouldn’t let you open your mouth like this. I’d also love to see how you live on that pittance those govts hand out to their people. In most of those countries there’s another economy altogether for people to actually acquire things the govt won’t let them have. Go over and live under sharia law. I’m sure you’d love that too. Before you go and start calling me a colonizer or racist I’d say to the victor goes the spoils. I’m no government lover either. Free markets society will always be my true north. I also know one thing too you’d never say this crap to my face and if you did I can promise you’d think twice before you ever said it to anyone else again. I’d love to see your wife pregnant with your child and while your at gun point some scumbag is raping her in front of you with other waiting and when they tire of that your child gets cut out of her. How tough would you be then? I’m betting you’d probably not move a muscle as self preservation is what motivates you and instead of dying trying to save her and your unborn child you’d wilt like the coward you are. Another keyboard cowboy. People like you is why I don’t do social media. Scumbag.
"I grew up in a time where indoctrination wasn't possible ..."
Really?
Old Soviet joke:
"A Russian is on an airliner heading to the US, and the American in the seat next to him asks, 'So what brings you to the US?” The Russian replies, 'I'm studying the American approach to propaganda.' The American says, 'What propaganda?' The Russian says, 'That’s what I mean.'"
Maybe start with Bernays? He was very open about it, very involved in American propaganda, and I'm confident he came before your time.