Brian, Good to meet you today at the Ron Paul Scholars Seminar! I always feel uncomfortable with public pledges and making physical displays of patriotism or religion…. I pledge allegiance to my wife and family! My country? It has to earn my willing cooperation and respect… but no pledges or signs of the cross from me.
While in High School I did not participate in the pledge. Pledging oath towards corruption was my response to things like Johnson telling us about the absurd idea of a torpedo attack by a very small nation; Vietnam. We as a people should be the masters, not worshippers of a government that acts as a dictatorship without the consent of the State’s Representatives. Enjoyed your assessment & I find no fault with your writing. One nation is not the definition of a Republic! It’s brutal, programming children to be as sycophants. War is not the answer, real civilizations are civil.
I just discovered this article thanks to your most recent which was posted on ZeroHedge. I could not agree more with you. I served 16 years in the military and did multiple combat deployments but I resigned and stopped reciting this pledge of loyalty to a satanic state in 2012.
Brian: This is an excellent read. The title of the article would be more fitting if it read "Why Free People Shouldn't Pledge Allegiance". The term "Patriot" connotes nationalistic fervor or someone who will blindly follow their tyrannical government. This is a great example of how people have been duped into subordinating themselves to tyranny.
Alvan - Thank you for your enlightened essay...as a 80 something male, my child and adult mind always had the states front and center when I was in school and now as a Planning and Zoning Commissioner...here is how I would rewrite our Pledge Allegiance: "I pledge Allegiance to the United States of America, and to the Republic States for which they stand, one united Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and Natural Law guidance for all."
You should read "The Children's Story" by James Clavell. It's a 10-minute read at most and distills this idea down to its most essential bits. It takes place in an America that lost the war against a foreign enemy, in an elementary school classroom on the morning that a scared class of children is due to meet New Teacher for the first time.
I found where it was turned into a 1982 TV episode for "Mobil Showcase." The young teacher is played by Clavell's daughter (who was also in the Bond movie "Octopussy"):
My suggestion, is the following revision, to include powers granted by the Constitution to States and We the People.
"I pledge allegiance to the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America, and to the flag which is a symbol of it, one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all. And I acknowledge the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to We the People."
Pledging allegiance to a contract you did not sign?
and the colors associated with it?
By a Group of BRITISH americans who lived in BRITISH america and have been dead for 200+ years???
Well that is just bizarre..............
Here is THE stark reality:
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist" ----- Lysander Spooner 'The Constituion of No Authority'
The Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior (that is one of the many amazing discoveries by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). I wish you had been familiar with Dr. Curry's work before you wrote this piece. The Bellamy salute did not merely resemble the salute under Hitler's socialism, it was the origin of that salute and that behavior, and the gesture was performed in the USA exactly in the same manner. http://rexcurry.net In your article you did not ask or examine the influence of the USA's socialist Bellamy salute upon Hitler's socialism. Nor did you explore where Hitler obtained the gesture for his socialism. Perhaps you can write more about this.
Study the bloody jewish-led communist revolution in 1918 Germany and the transgender Weimar hell and usury that followed and you will understand why the Germans were fed up.
Now the same Bolsheviks are here, and all people can do is whine about Nazis.
The Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior (that is one of the many amazing discoveries by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). I wish you had been familiar with Dr. Curry's work before you wrote this piece. The Bellamy salute did not merely resemble the salute under Hitler's socialism, it was the origin of that salute and that behavior, and the gesture was performed in the USA exactly in the same manner. http://rexcurry.net In your article you did not ask or examine the influence of the USA's socialist Bellamy salute upon Hitler's socialism. Nor did you explore where Hitler obtained the gesture for his socialism. Perhaps you can write more about this.
It is not about "race" - it is about the Law that governs. There are three bodies of law mentioned in the Constitution - in Law, Equity, and Maritime/Admiralty - the key section for our protection in the Bill of Rights is called - Nature and Cause - that being what is the "nature of the body of law" and what is the cause of action within that law we are charged with - only two of the bodies of law have "criminal penalties" - that is the common law, and the maritime/admiralty - the common law requires an injured party as the one complaining - maritime/admiralty is totally different. So if someone is being charged with a criminal penalty the body of law makes a BIG difference in their rights being protected.
• In 1892 The U.S. Supreme Court declared that America was "a Christian nation."
• That case was overturned in 1931. "We are a nation with the duty to survive" the Court said, and a Christian whose allegiance to the nation is qualified by a greater allegiance is a threat to national survival. Our "government must go forward upon the assumption, and safely can proceed upon no other, than unqualified allegiance to the nation and submission and obedience to the laws of the land" is more important than conscientious obedience to the God of the Bible. [Macintosh]
• In 1945, based on the 1931 case, a Christian was barred from becoming an attorney because his allegiance to God was greater than his allegiance to the State.
• Allegiance to the King is essential.
What is definition of Allegiance?
1a : the obligation of a feudal vassal to his liege lord. b(1) : the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a sovereign or government I pledge allegiance to my country. (2) : the obligation of an alien to the government under which the alien resides.
Allegiance is the entomology of "religion" - to "re-alliege" and - the liege lord being the one to whom we kneel and consent to obey - Christians already have "one King" who has our allegiance
and the supreme court determined that no Christian can join the American Bar Association - I have the court case, and therefore we have a bunch of Lucifer followers leading America
~~ "Your American Yardstick" by Hamilton Abert Long is one of the better reads at explaining the "American Idea", and there's quotes galore. Cheapest source I've found is Abebooks.com -- Amazon, ThriftbooksDOTcom, Alibris, are about $40 more. And to think I use-ta buy these by the case and give em away. One quote I like, on term limits:
"It seems to have been imagined by some that the returning to the mass of the people was degrading the magistrate (elected office). This he thought was contrary to republican principles. In free Governments the rulers are the servants, and the people their superiors and sovereigns. For the former therefore to return among the latter was not to DEGRADE but to PROMOTE them-- and it would be imposing an unreasonable burden on them, to keep them always in a State of servitude, and not allow them to become again one of the Masters."
[Emphasis per original]
(Remarks in Framing Convention, 1787, as summarized by Madison in his record)
What an interesting and even entertaining quote, Kenn. Thank you for that and the book recommendation--I just snapped up a copy via Abebooks. I appreciate you shopping around for me! (For other readers here--there's one more copy at $10)
Exactly right, Brian. I've also shared my thoughts:
Patriotism (pride, affection, loyalty, etc.) towards an ideal (freedom, independence, self-reliance, charity, etc.) shouldn’t be blindly granted to the state. The state is not an ideal. Inevitably, the state, supposed guardian of an ideal, will sacrifice the ideal to further the state’s own interests. It serves the state well to confuse patriotism for an ideal with blind patriotism to the state.
Proposed alternative (unspoken) pledges (men are not sheep bleating in unison):
1) I pledge allegiance to no flag or country.. but to myself, my family and friends, and to the principles of honesty, self reliance, compassion, liberty and justice for all.
2) I pledge allegiance to no flag or country, but to the principles of honesty, self reliance, respect for myself and others, private property, voluntary charity, freedom and justice for all.
Patriotism, inspired by flag, symbol, song or word, is fine as long as it doesn’t mean trust and obey the government no matter what... which it often does.
The first casualty of patriotism to the state is humanity. State above man, Fiction over flesh. Ideology trumps family. Give them a flag, a song and a pledge; they'll give their sweat, blood and tears. Offer them nothing but bad election choices; they'll believe in democracy. Offer them education; they'll think they're enlightened. Take their income; they'll believe it's for their own good. Flout the laws the people must obey and call it Rule of Law. Tell them to jump; they'll ask how high. Tell them they're free; they'll believe it.
Be loyal to your family, friends and worthy ideals; not any G D State. They typically degenerate into criminal organizations protected by their own corrupt laws.
Edgar Lee Masters (1868–1950). Spoon River Anthology. 1916.
26. Knowlt Hoheimer (an epitaph)
I WAS the first fruits of the battle of Missionary Ridge.
When I felt the bullet enter my heart
I wished I had staid at home and gone to jail
For stealing the hogs of Curl Trenary,
Instead of running away and joining the army.
Rather a thousand times the country jail
Than to lie under this marble figure with wings,
And this granite pedestal
Bearing the words, ”Pro Patria.”
What do they mean, anyway?
(Pro Patria means "For One's Country")
My take... clearly an argument against the state.. and blind patriotism.
The USA's Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior (that is one of the many amazing discoveries by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). I wish you had been familiar with Dr. Curry's work before you wrote this piece. The Bellamy salute did not merely resemble the salute under Hitler's socialism, it was the origin of that salute and that behavior, and the final gesture was performed in the USA exactly in the same manner. http://rexcurry.net Bellamy's use of the military salute was the origin of the "Nazi" salute. In your article you did not ask or examine the influence of the USA's socialist Bellamy salute upon Hitler's socialism. Nor did you explore where Hitler obtained the gesture for his socialism. Also, you would find it interesting that Bellamy used the pledge to promote the government take over of education with our socialist schools. Perhaps you can write more about these facts.
Brian, Good to meet you today at the Ron Paul Scholars Seminar! I always feel uncomfortable with public pledges and making physical displays of patriotism or religion…. I pledge allegiance to my wife and family! My country? It has to earn my willing cooperation and respect… but no pledges or signs of the cross from me.
While in High School I did not participate in the pledge. Pledging oath towards corruption was my response to things like Johnson telling us about the absurd idea of a torpedo attack by a very small nation; Vietnam. We as a people should be the masters, not worshippers of a government that acts as a dictatorship without the consent of the State’s Representatives. Enjoyed your assessment & I find no fault with your writing. One nation is not the definition of a Republic! It’s brutal, programming children to be as sycophants. War is not the answer, real civilizations are civil.
While I won't pledge allegiance, I'll salute you for catching on far earlier in life than I did! Thank you for your reading and your feedback.
I just discovered this article thanks to your most recent which was posted on ZeroHedge. I could not agree more with you. I served 16 years in the military and did multiple combat deployments but I resigned and stopped reciting this pledge of loyalty to a satanic state in 2012.
Brian: This is an excellent read. The title of the article would be more fitting if it read "Why Free People Shouldn't Pledge Allegiance". The term "Patriot" connotes nationalistic fervor or someone who will blindly follow their tyrannical government. This is a great example of how people have been duped into subordinating themselves to tyranny.
Alvan - Thank you for your enlightened essay...as a 80 something male, my child and adult mind always had the states front and center when I was in school and now as a Planning and Zoning Commissioner...here is how I would rewrite our Pledge Allegiance: "I pledge Allegiance to the United States of America, and to the Republic States for which they stand, one united Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and Natural Law guidance for all."
Good try Alvan, but it still feels uncomfortable for me. I like the effort though!
THANK you. Very well said.
You should read "The Children's Story" by James Clavell. It's a 10-minute read at most and distills this idea down to its most essential bits. It takes place in an America that lost the war against a foreign enemy, in an elementary school classroom on the morning that a scared class of children is due to meet New Teacher for the first time.
Thank you for the suggestion. I hadn't heard of that before. Others can read the story here:
http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/tcs.pdf
I found where it was turned into a 1982 TV episode for "Mobil Showcase." The young teacher is played by Clavell's daughter (who was also in the Bond movie "Octopussy"):
https://youtu.be/p1AL3WFzsv0
Very interesting article. Texas has had a State Flag Pledge since 1933.
"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible."
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/flagpledge.html
My suggestion, is the following revision, to include powers granted by the Constitution to States and We the People.
"I pledge allegiance to the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America, and to the flag which is a symbol of it, one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all. And I acknowledge the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to We the People."
Pledging allegiance to a contract you did not sign?
and the colors associated with it?
By a Group of BRITISH americans who lived in BRITISH america and have been dead for 200+ years???
Well that is just bizarre..............
Here is THE stark reality:
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist" ----- Lysander Spooner 'The Constituion of No Authority'
I like your 10th Amendment-flavored finale.
The Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior (that is one of the many amazing discoveries by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). I wish you had been familiar with Dr. Curry's work before you wrote this piece. The Bellamy salute did not merely resemble the salute under Hitler's socialism, it was the origin of that salute and that behavior, and the gesture was performed in the USA exactly in the same manner. http://rexcurry.net In your article you did not ask or examine the influence of the USA's socialist Bellamy salute upon Hitler's socialism. Nor did you explore where Hitler obtained the gesture for his socialism. Perhaps you can write more about this.
Study the bloody jewish-led communist revolution in 1918 Germany and the transgender Weimar hell and usury that followed and you will understand why the Germans were fed up.
Now the same Bolsheviks are here, and all people can do is whine about Nazis.
Exactly.
The Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior (that is one of the many amazing discoveries by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). I wish you had been familiar with Dr. Curry's work before you wrote this piece. The Bellamy salute did not merely resemble the salute under Hitler's socialism, it was the origin of that salute and that behavior, and the gesture was performed in the USA exactly in the same manner. http://rexcurry.net In your article you did not ask or examine the influence of the USA's socialist Bellamy salute upon Hitler's socialism. Nor did you explore where Hitler obtained the gesture for his socialism. Perhaps you can write more about this.
Here's an alternative Pledge of Allegiance that I think you might appreciate: https://losthorizons.com/ThePledge.pdf (and you can see/hear it recited at https://youtu.be/gERi3Rm8V-s).
Why do we need any pledge at all? Free will and natural law do not require any pledging.
It is not about "race" - it is about the Law that governs. There are three bodies of law mentioned in the Constitution - in Law, Equity, and Maritime/Admiralty - the key section for our protection in the Bill of Rights is called - Nature and Cause - that being what is the "nature of the body of law" and what is the cause of action within that law we are charged with - only two of the bodies of law have "criminal penalties" - that is the common law, and the maritime/admiralty - the common law requires an injured party as the one complaining - maritime/admiralty is totally different. So if someone is being charged with a criminal penalty the body of law makes a BIG difference in their rights being protected.
• In 1892 The U.S. Supreme Court declared that America was "a Christian nation."
• That case was overturned in 1931. "We are a nation with the duty to survive" the Court said, and a Christian whose allegiance to the nation is qualified by a greater allegiance is a threat to national survival. Our "government must go forward upon the assumption, and safely can proceed upon no other, than unqualified allegiance to the nation and submission and obedience to the laws of the land" is more important than conscientious obedience to the God of the Bible. [Macintosh]
• In 1945, based on the 1931 case, a Christian was barred from becoming an attorney because his allegiance to God was greater than his allegiance to the State.
• Allegiance to the King is essential.
What is definition of Allegiance?
1a : the obligation of a feudal vassal to his liege lord. b(1) : the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a sovereign or government I pledge allegiance to my country. (2) : the obligation of an alien to the government under which the alien resides.
Allegiance is the entomology of "religion" - to "re-alliege" and - the liege lord being the one to whom we kneel and consent to obey - Christians already have "one King" who has our allegiance
and the supreme court determined that no Christian can join the American Bar Association - I have the court case, and therefore we have a bunch of Lucifer followers leading America
~~ "Your American Yardstick" by Hamilton Abert Long is one of the better reads at explaining the "American Idea", and there's quotes galore. Cheapest source I've found is Abebooks.com -- Amazon, ThriftbooksDOTcom, Alibris, are about $40 more. And to think I use-ta buy these by the case and give em away. One quote I like, on term limits:
"It seems to have been imagined by some that the returning to the mass of the people was degrading the magistrate (elected office). This he thought was contrary to republican principles. In free Governments the rulers are the servants, and the people their superiors and sovereigns. For the former therefore to return among the latter was not to DEGRADE but to PROMOTE them-- and it would be imposing an unreasonable burden on them, to keep them always in a State of servitude, and not allow them to become again one of the Masters."
[Emphasis per original]
(Remarks in Framing Convention, 1787, as summarized by Madison in his record)
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What an interesting and even entertaining quote, Kenn. Thank you for that and the book recommendation--I just snapped up a copy via Abebooks. I appreciate you shopping around for me! (For other readers here--there's one more copy at $10)
Exactly right, Brian. I've also shared my thoughts:
Patriotism (pride, affection, loyalty, etc.) towards an ideal (freedom, independence, self-reliance, charity, etc.) shouldn’t be blindly granted to the state. The state is not an ideal. Inevitably, the state, supposed guardian of an ideal, will sacrifice the ideal to further the state’s own interests. It serves the state well to confuse patriotism for an ideal with blind patriotism to the state.
Proposed alternative (unspoken) pledges (men are not sheep bleating in unison):
1) I pledge allegiance to no flag or country.. but to myself, my family and friends, and to the principles of honesty, self reliance, compassion, liberty and justice for all.
2) I pledge allegiance to no flag or country, but to the principles of honesty, self reliance, respect for myself and others, private property, voluntary charity, freedom and justice for all.
Patriotism, inspired by flag, symbol, song or word, is fine as long as it doesn’t mean trust and obey the government no matter what... which it often does.
The first casualty of patriotism to the state is humanity. State above man, Fiction over flesh. Ideology trumps family. Give them a flag, a song and a pledge; they'll give their sweat, blood and tears. Offer them nothing but bad election choices; they'll believe in democracy. Offer them education; they'll think they're enlightened. Take their income; they'll believe it's for their own good. Flout the laws the people must obey and call it Rule of Law. Tell them to jump; they'll ask how high. Tell them they're free; they'll believe it.
Be loyal to your family, friends and worthy ideals; not any G D State. They typically degenerate into criminal organizations protected by their own corrupt laws.
Edgar Lee Masters (1868–1950). Spoon River Anthology. 1916.
26. Knowlt Hoheimer (an epitaph)
I WAS the first fruits of the battle of Missionary Ridge.
When I felt the bullet enter my heart
I wished I had staid at home and gone to jail
For stealing the hogs of Curl Trenary,
Instead of running away and joining the army.
Rather a thousand times the country jail
Than to lie under this marble figure with wings,
And this granite pedestal
Bearing the words, ”Pro Patria.”
What do they mean, anyway?
(Pro Patria means "For One's Country")
My take... clearly an argument against the state.. and blind patriotism.
Interesting thoughts and quotation. Thank you, Steve. Your unspoken pledges are a vast improvement!
The USA's Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior (that is one of the many amazing discoveries by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). I wish you had been familiar with Dr. Curry's work before you wrote this piece. The Bellamy salute did not merely resemble the salute under Hitler's socialism, it was the origin of that salute and that behavior, and the final gesture was performed in the USA exactly in the same manner. http://rexcurry.net Bellamy's use of the military salute was the origin of the "Nazi" salute. In your article you did not ask or examine the influence of the USA's socialist Bellamy salute upon Hitler's socialism. Nor did you explore where Hitler obtained the gesture for his socialism. Also, you would find it interesting that Bellamy used the pledge to promote the government take over of education with our socialist schools. Perhaps you can write more about these facts.